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4/25/2011 10:16 PM
 

Sorry if this has been asked before; I tried searching and didn't find anything, but I'm not confident I searched effectively.

I am confused about what constitutes a "standard" GPS waypoint. Specifically, is there a reference that I can use to learn which waypoints are supported by the iFly?

I have programmed flight plans into my Garmin GNS430 using GPS waypoints found via various online navigation sources. Example: ETIME is a waypoint that's recognized by skyvector.com and my GNS430. However, this waypoint is not recognized by the iFly.

That's not a big deal...I can work around it. I'm just curious to understand a little better who decides what the "official" GPS waypoints are, and then how subsets of the list are selected for implementation in products like the iFly. Ultimately, if there's a way to see what waypoints are supported by the iFly, I might replan some of my routes to use those waypoints instead of the ones Im currently using.

Thanks,

Jim

 
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5/6/2011 10:01 AM
 

Cobra, sorry for the late reply - this post slipped through the cracks. There is not a "standard" waypoint that I'm aware of. The iFly has the intersections and navaids that are visible on the sectionals and enroute charts, but there are some that are only displayed on approach plates which may be missing. This is something we will get added. Where is "ETIME", I'll look that up.

Thanks


Walter Boyd
President, Adventure Pilot
 
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5/6/2011 5:14 PM
 

No problem, Walter--thanks for the reply.

ETIME was just an example (it's near Bacliff, TX, southeast of Houston). I use it as a waypoint to steer clear of the Class B when I'm approaching home base from the SW. For the iFly, I can just rubber-band my course over to approximately where ETIME is and it's no big deal.

My question was truly from ignorance. There are a variety of handheld GPS devices and online flight planning tools that allow the use of five-letter named waypoints, but I have found that waypoints that work well in some devices and/or planners won't be recognized by others. I haven't really detected a pattern, and was just trying to get smarter about where these things come from and perhaps how to predict which waypoints are likely to be supported by all devices/planners.

Example: Here's the ETIME page on opennav.com: http://www.opennav.com/waypoint/US/ETIME

Scroll down a bit to the "waypoints near ETIME", and the map is just peppered with them. They're not aligned in a grid or otherwise arranged uniformly...it almost appears haphazard. Who defines all these things? How do GPS manufacturers decide which ones to include in their device's database and which ones to ignore?

Just one of life's little mysteries to an end-user like me....

 
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5/7/2011 10:39 PM
 

Cobra:

I believe the "GPS waypoints" you are asking about are the "fixes" assigned to RNAV (GPS) instrument approaches. Take a look on your iFly at any RNAV (GPS) approach plate, like the RNAV (GPS) RWY 30 plate for T41 at La Port, TX,. and you will see that these RNAV (GPS) instrument approaches are chiefly composed of these 5-letter fixes. (http://download.aopa.org/ustprocs/cur... ) Also look at the RNAV (GPS) approaches for KHOU and KGLS and you will see what I mean. I don't know which approach plate ETIME belongs to.

When flying with an IFR certified GPS and you select an RNAV (GPS) approach, the certified GPS will "navigate" you from fix to fix automatically in sequence. These fixes (what you are calling "GPS waypoints") are created by the FAA following their TERPS procedures when trhey create and publish these RNAV (GPS) approaches. The only place they show up that I know of is on these instrument procedures, and I do not recall ever seeing them as "intersections" on low-altitude enroute charts, so I would not expect to see them in a database for a VFR GPS. Maybe they are in the Jepp databases?

That's my take on it, FWIW. --Ralph

 
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5/7/2011 11:34 PM
 

Thanks, Ralph, but there's more to it than that. If you take a look at the link I provided, the landscape is littered with 5-letter waypoints. They don't all belong to IFR approaches. In fact, I think *most* of them don't. I'm pretty sure you won't find ETIME on any approach plate.

Aviation is only one usage community for GPS. All GPS waypoints appear to have 5-letter names. The GPS fixes/waypoints used in aviaiton charts thus always have five letters, but they're (apparently) just a (small?) subset of the entire set of GPS fixes/waypoints.

 
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