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5/22/2014 7:32 AM
 

In addition to everything that Shane said, there is also still some question as to whether the portable solutions like the Skyguard will satisfy the FAA's 2020 ADSB-out mandate. These are portable systems that happen to support the ADSB communications protocols...but they are not TSO'd, there is no STC, etc. Their performance can vary depending on where you deploy the antenna, where you situate the box, whether you're banking or climbing, etc.

Anyone looking to purchase a solution like the Skyguard with the expectation that they have met the FAA's 2020 mandate and they're done may be rudely surprised in a few years.

It's better to purchase the Skyguard from the desire to start taking full advantage of ADSB-in services (weather and traffic) today because it includes the ADSB-out signal to wake up the traffic transmitters, with the expectation that something additional may still be required down the road to fully satisfy the 2020 ADSB-out mandate.

At least, that's my personal opinion.

 
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5/22/2014 9:52 AM
 
Cobra wrote:

In addition to everything that Shane said, there is also still some question as to whether the portable solutions like the Skyguard will satisfy the FAA's 2020 ADSB-out ...........Anyone looking to purchase a solution like the Skyguard with the expectation that they have met the FAA's 2020 mandate and they're done may be rudely surprised in a few years.



Cautionary note registered. Thanks.

Not that I'd want to be flying in a legal gray zone.... But as long as the ADS out was working and showing you up properly to suitably instrumented traffic and ATC (something you presumably could determine as true or not in the next 6 years) how would ATC know or care it wasn't TSO?
Do these and transponders do something like broadcast a model code that identifies them and their TSO status?

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Anyway... Six years is a long time in the developments of avionics.... Look how much functionality and cost/benefit of iFly has improved in 6 years. Did it even exist 6 years ago?
That can be an argument either for purchasing Skyguard and figuring at least 6 years use out of it, or fir "wait and see what's available 6 years from now .

Alex

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5/22/2014 11:44 AM
 

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5/22/2014 12:05 PM
 

Just for clarification. There are 3 models of the SkyGuardTWX Vision-Pro. None of which will communicate Bluetooth or Wi-Fi and Serial at the same time. It's and either or.

  1. Serial Out only $1299 - This model does not have Wi-Fi and transmits 978UAT and receives on both the 978/1090ES.
  2. Wi-Fi Model $1399 - This model is Wi-Fi only, no Serial. Also transmits 978UAT and receives on both the 978/1090ES.
  3. AHRS Model $1799 - This model is Wi-Fi only, no serial. Transmits 978UAT but only receives on the 978, no 1090ES.

Additionally, Cobra is correct these are not TSO or FAA certified yet for the 2020 Mandate, but according to the ADS-B rule, they do not have to be certified until 2020, at which time the ADS-B Mandate is active and it has to be certified or the transmitter needs to be turned off. Keep in mind it is only the Transmitter, GPS and Install that needs the certification. Nothing with the receiver, AHRS or receive antennas needs to be certified for 2020.

SkyGuardTWX is currently testing for the 2020 certification. I'm positive there will be changes needed to Mounting, Antennas, Power connection, etc for the certification. There is no way the FAA is going to certify a portable ADS-B with suction cup antennas. This was done to get them into the field as part of the testing process. Don at SkyGuardTWX has indicated that he plans to make available a "retro" or "certification" kits to meet certification needs. The details and cost of those are still unknown as it just to early in the process.

I personally went with the Vision-Pro with the "I get Full ADS-B Weather and Traffic till 2020, then if it is not certified, I still have a ADS-B Receiver". Many of the ADS-B Out (ie 1090ES or BK KT74) Certified options do not have a receiver, so you are only providing, not receiving. If I'm going to be force to provide my position to the FAA, I sure want to be able to see what everyone else it also providing as well. Just my two cents.


Shane Woodson
Vice President | Adventure Pilot LLC.
 
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5/22/2014 1:15 PM
 

This brings up a question I've had for a while. I understand why VOR, ILS, ADF, LORAN, and the rest needed to be certified. Different antenna mountings, internal aircraft interference, and a host of other problems could give erroneous readings. However with GPS, and the rest of modern communication and navigation equipment all computer based, they all could, and probably do analyze and "certify" available signals as accurate before they display them. Which brings us to the question. Why would/should GPS's, ADSB, etc need to be permanently mounted, and FAA certified in order to be used?

I'm not attempting to debate whether or not it does have to be certified, but perhaps the industry should lobby Congress/FAA to allow computers to do constant certification for all new electronic equipment, as the equipment is likely doing already.

 
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